Marvin Shilmer

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  Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

  by _Morpheus in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

  rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

  q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  I'd rather listen to fishermen.

  Tis much more entertaining, I wholly agree!
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  Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

  by _Morpheus in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

  rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

  q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  GIS for playing with yourself...

  Red herring. Read about it.
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  Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

  by _Morpheus in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

  rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

  q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Of course I didn't.

  You did assert both.

  It's right there is nice tidy words captured on pages 10 and 12 of this discussion.

  On page 10 in response to wannaexit opining "Now we should all move on" you responded with:

  No one is forcing you to stay. It's also not your purview to tell everyone else what to do.

  Yet on page 12 you told me it's obvious that wannaexit has the purview to share her/his recommendation that the group should move on.

  Your objection to what wannaexit said is baseless.
  
  
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  Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

  by _Morpheus in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

  rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

  q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Congratulations on stating the obvious....

  If it's obvious that within guidelines of this forum wannaexit does have purview to share opinions, including a recommendation that the group should move on for whatever, then your objection to what wannaexit said is baseless. That is to say, contrary to your earlier directly relevant assertion to wannaexit statement at issue that "It's also not your purview to tell everyone else what to do" it turns out that, according to you, it's obvious that wannaexit does in fact have the purview you said she/he did not have.

  So which is obvious? That wannaexit has or does not have purview to share an opinion as a recommendation that the group should move on? You've asserted both!
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  Manipulation of child minds

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today i read a comment on my blog about an image found in a 1958 watchtower publication titled from paradise lost to paradise regained.

  it reminded me of what went through my mind back in those years.

  watchtower meeting agendas were notoriously boring with the result of children (including teenagers) spending their time looking at pictures in great detail.

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  OMG! I grew up with that book and remember those illustrations. They worried and frightened me because I knew, just knew...........I was never going to make it!!

  I can't tell you how many middle-age JWs have told me that, as children, they lost sleep at night worried sick they were not good enough to make it through Armageddon. Nearly every one of these recounted the very image discussed here. As recounted to me, the fear was heightened to nearly unbearable levels on nights of bad weather with lots of thunder and lightening.
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  Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

  by _Morpheus in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

  rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

  q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Wrong. And even if you were right, the net of this is you complaining over nothing and pretending to know things you don't.

  
  I'm right. You're out to lunch with your comment that wannaexit was "trying to have authority". Sharing an opinion to a group that "we should all move on" is in no ways an attempt at authority; it is no more than sharing an opinion as a recommendation. It's pure lunacy on your part to make more out of this as you have, alleging an effort to "have authority". I don't pretend to know this, I do know this. It's common usage spanning many cultures, including English speaking ones.
  
  

  Within guidelines of this forum wannaexit (and you and me, and everyone else here!) does have purview to share opinions, including a recommendation that the group should move on for whatever.
  
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  Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

  by _Morpheus in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

  rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

  q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  This was a lot more fun when ...

  Yes. Now we're down to us mere commoners bickering over nits. It must be a slow day... somewhere.
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  Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

  by _Morpheus in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

  rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

  q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Of course it's not an attempt. Wanna exit offered her opinion, unsolicited, to tell the entire group what to do. In response she got an answer. She didn't like the answer, she was given free and accurate advice on how to avoid not liking the consequence of her actions.
  As far as what "getting used" to things, I am used to people making unfounded and wrong assumptions, like whether or not I am annoyed. You've done nothing more than be utterly ordinary in not knowing what you don't know and thinking you do

  How Vivianesque of you.

  
  
  wannaexit shared an opinion. You did too. One's no more an attempt to "have authority" than the other. Both are completely normal and acceptable.
  
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  Did you know WTBTS applied for Holocaust compensation?

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  did you know that the wtbts applied for these compensation funds?

  i had no idea and if this has already been addressed then so be it.

  i find it interesting due to the fact that so much is made of the jws being in camps during ww2 and nothing else is expressed about the other millions who died in these camps.

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  The Watchtower organization has a rather extensive legal department and makes use of it in novel ways, one of which is to find circumstances where it can establish billable hours for new money.

  My opinion is the above is one of those instances. Added to this is a presumed likelihood that some recipients will end up bequeathing monies owed them to Watchtower coffers.

  Another, more recent, example of this is, in my opinion, the lawsuit filed by Watchtower over the Warwick construction site alleging pollution. You can bet your bottom dollar Watchtower's banking billable hours that it will ask to be paid as part of any settlement. It won't matter whether the case has merit. The only thing that will matter is whether it's less expensive to settle the thing than pay even more lawyers to fight it further.
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  Manipulation of child minds

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today i read a comment on my blog about an image found in a 1958 watchtower publication titled from paradise lost to paradise regained.

  it reminded me of what went through my mind back in those years.

  watchtower meeting agendas were notoriously boring with the result of children (including teenagers) spending their time looking at pictures in great detail.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Yep, that little girl/puppy picture (also the foot-on-the-snake picture) have been indelibly imprinted on my mind.

  Not too long ago at a medical round table I was approached by two mental health specialists and each recounted middle-age JW patients who brought up those very images. These providers said the patients were haunted by the illustrations, in particular the one with the little girl and puppy being killed at Armageddon. It is beyond paradoxical to tell a child God loves you, but even as a child God will kill you and your puppy (and throw your doll in an abyss!) because your parents aren't living right. It is mental abuse. That's what it is!